Nick Shirley speaks outside of Quality Learning Center in Minneapolis, Minnesota, on Tuesday. - CNN

The Trump administration, for the second time in recent weeks, is using allegations of fraud to justify increased federal law enforcement actions in Minnesota, the state with the country'slargest Somali population.

Thelatest surge in federal resources— from the FBI and Department of Homeland Security — followed the release of a widely circulated video in which 23-year-oldYouTube content creator Nick Shirleyalleges, with little evidence, to have uncovered widespread fraud at Somali-run child care centers.

The accusations are the most recent in a series of fraud scandals involving state social service programs that provided meals for needy children during the pandemic, Medicaid housing assistance and other safety nets which benefit needy families.

The alleged schemes prompted a fresh gush of fury and vitriol from the administration of President Donald Trump and state GOP leaders, who have demanded a crackdown on the waste of taxpayer dollars for social services they said were never provided.

The scandals go back nearly a decade and include allegations of fraud in the Somali community focused onFeeding Our Future, a nonprofit prosecutors said falsely claimed to provide meals to needy children during the Covid-19 pandemic. Federal charges were brought against dozens of people — most of them Somali — beginning in 2022.

Shirley's video with the newest accusations involving Somali-run child care centers was retweeted by Vice President JD Vance and former Department of Government Efficiency head Elon Musk. The US Department of Health and Human Services then announced it was freezing child care payments to the state pending a federal investigation of the allegations.

Here's a look at key figures in the highly politicized, long-running controversy involving alleged fraudulent, government-funded safety net programs in Minnesota.

Aimee Bock and Salim Said

A federal jury in March foundAimee Bock and Salim Saidguilty for their roles in a $250 million fraud scheme connected to a government-funded food program for kids.

Bock was founder and executive director of Feeding Our Future, a nonprofit that received funding from the Federal Child Nutrition Program. Said was co-owner of Safari Restaurant, which provided meals for children at the restaurant and many other food sites associated with Feeding Our Future. Beyond feeding children, prosecutors said, the defendants used proceeds from the scheme to buy real estate, luxury vehicles and pay for international travel.

An early investigation by state education officials was slowed in part by a lawsuit filed by the organization and Bock — who is not Somali — on grounds the probe was discriminatory. She later voluntarily dropped the suit after federal agents raided her home and offices.

Bock was eventuallyconvictedof seven federal charges, including bribery. She has not yet been sentenced, but a judge denied her request for a new trial. Said, who also awaits sentencing, was convicted of 20 federal charges, including bribery and money laundering.

Bock and Said each face possible sentences of more than 30 years in prison, CNN affiliateKARE reported.

The vast majority ofroughly 70 peoplecharged in the case are members of the state's Somali community, CNN has reported. Thirty-seven defendants have pleaded guilty,according to The Associated Press.Five were convictedamong a group of defendants who were tried last year, the AP reported.

Ibrahim Ali and Quality Learning Center

One subject of Shirley's viral video was the Quality Learning Center in Minneapolis. The center was featured prominently in the video, with Shirley noting "Learing" was misspelled.

In the video, posted the day after Christmas, the conservative activist and content creator is seen visiting and trying to enter several child care centers he said are not operational yet receive government funding through the state'sChild Care Assistance Program, or CCAP, for low-income families. He does not specify in the video when he visited most of the centers, which Shirley claimed are Somali-run. He told CNN he filmed the video on December 16 and made a follow-up visit later in the day.

Quality Learning Center in Minneapolis, Minnesota, on Monday. - KARE

CNN is looking into the centers identified in the video and has reached out to several of them. None of the day care center operators have been charged with fraud.

A spokesperson for Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz, a Democrat, told CNN two of the centers in the video were closed. But a Minnesota Department of Children, Youth, and Families spokesperson later clarified that one — Quality Learning Center — ultimately decided to remain open,according to The Minnesota Star Tribune.

Ibrahim Ali, a manager at Quality Learning Center, said his parents own the facility. Hetold KAREon Monday that Shirley's video was recorded when the business was scheduled to be closed. A sign on the door says its operating hours are 2 p.m. to 10 p.m.

"There's no fraud going on whatsoever," Ali told KARE.

CNN, which has reached out to the center for comment, observed families dropping children off at Quality Learning Center on Tuesday.

MAGA activist Nick Shirley

Since the day after Christmas, when he posted the video purporting to show widespread fraud at federally funded day cares, Shirley has gained hundreds of thousands of followers and millions of views.

Shirley told CNN Tuesday he is "100% sure" the allegations are true. A man whose research was featured in the video told CNN he obtained all of the information from publicly available websites and that it was not given to him by Republican politicians. CNN is looking into the claims.

His video showed Shirley being escorted out of one building by police after they responded to reports he was trespassing and harassing people.

Shirley is well-known in MAGA circles and was invited to speak at the White House in October during aroundtablewith Trump.

First Assistant US Attorney Joe Thompson

Joe Thompson headed the fraud and public corruption section at the US Attorney's Office for the District of Minnesota for more than three years.

First Assistant US Attorney Joe Thompson describes a sprawling fraud investigation involving state-run programs in Minnesota at a December 18 news conference in Minneapolis. - Giovanna Dell'Orto/AP

Months before the most recent allegations, in July, the FBI raided five businesses in the Twin Cities which had allegedly committed Medicaid housing assistance fraud,according to The Minnesota Star Tribune.

Half or more of the roughly $18 billion in Medicaid funds that supported 14 Minnesota-run programs since 2018 may have been stolen due to fraud, Thompson said on December 18,according to the AP.

"The magnitude cannot be overstated," Thompson said. "What we see in Minnesota is not a handful of bad actors committing crimes. It's staggering, industrial-scale fraud."

Walz accused Thompson of essentially making up the $9 billion figure.

"You should be equally outraged about one dollar or whatever that number is, but they're using that number without the proof behind it," Walz said in a December 19 news conference,according to KARE.

Jim O'Neill, Kelly Loeffler and other Trump administration officials and supporters

Deputy Secretary of Health and Human ServicesJim O'Neillannounced the freeze on child care payments to the state of Minnesota Tuesday on X.

O'Neill demanded a state audit of the day care centers in the video and said the agency would now require justification and receipts or photo evidence for all payments to states from the department's Administration for Children and Families.

"Funds will be released only when states prove they are being spent legitimately," O'Neill said.

Health and Human Services Secretary Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. conducts the swearing-in ceremony of Jim O'Neill as the department's Deputy Secretary in Washington, DC, in June. - Amy Rossetti/Department of Health and Human Services/File

Minnesota receives $185 million in federal child care funding for 19,000 children, according to the agency. The announcement did not specify alternate plans for families affected by the freeze.

Separately, Small Business Administration head Kelly Loefflerannouncedon X Monday that funding to Minnesota would be suspended to "investigate $430 million in suspected PPP fraud across the state." She did not say whether that investigation into the Covid-eraPaycheck Protection Programinvolved any businesses in Shirley's video.

Vice President Vance, respondingto a post on Xabout alleged fraud involving people of Somali origin, said, "they're stealing both money and political power from Minnesotans."

DHS on Monday began postingvideosshowing agents from Homeland Security Investigations entering what it called "suspected fraud sites."

The House Oversight Committee has called Minnesota state representatives to testify before the panel for aJanuary 7 hearingcentered around "fraud and misuse of federal funds" in the state.

The investigative panel run by Republican Rep. James Comer is also expected to hear testimony fromWalzand Minnesota Attorney General Keith Ellison in a separate hearing on February 10.

In a statement to CNN, the governor's office said it was "always happy to work with Congress, though this committee has a track record of holding circus hearings that have nothing to do with the issue at hand."

Gov. Tim Walz and other Minnesota officials

Walz, the 2024 Democratic vice presidential nominee, has pushed back on allegations his administration lacks adequate safeguards against fraud.

The governor said Tuesday the state has spent years cracking down on fraud by "referring cases to law enforcement, shutting down and auditing high-risk programs." He also asked the state legislature for more authority to take aggressive action, a spokesperson for the governor told CNN.

Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz speaks during a House Oversight Committee hearing on Capitol Hill in Washington, DC, in June. - Kevin Lamarque/Reuters/File

A series of state audits into lax oversight of Minnesota funds were either minimized or dismissed by Walz and administration officials,CNN reported last year. Criticism of the governor's hands-off approach to accountability came amid allegations the Somali community's strong support for — and contributions to — Democrats helped shield them from scrutiny.

Minnesota Department of Children, Youth, and Families Commissioner Tikki Brown said during a Monday news conference that while the agency had "questions about some of the methods" used in Shirley's video, it does take concerns about fraud "very seriously," KAREreported.

The state is working to improve its systems and hold bad actors accountable, Minnesota state Rep. Carlie Kotyza-Witthuhn, co-chair of the Children and Families Committee, said at a news conference Wednesday. The Department of Children, Youth, and Families works closely with county partners on reports of alleged fraud, she said.

While there are legal safeguards to ensure programs are run properly, "this hasty scorched earth attack is not just wrong, it may well be illegal, and my team and I remain committed to protecting the people of Minnesota to the fullest extent of the law," Carin Mrotz, a senior adviser with the Minnesota Attorney General's office, said in a statement on behalf of Ellison, referring to the political fallout from the video's release.

Minnesota's Somali diaspora

With around 84,000 of the state's roughly 108,000 Somali Americans concentrated in the Twin Cities, the contingent has become apotent voting blocin the region. Thevast majorityof Somalis are in the US legally.

Members of the embattled Somali diaspora and their advocates have urged people to not blame an entire community for the actions of a few.

"The Somali community in the Twin Cities is overwhelmingly made up of hardworking families, small business owners, healthcare workers, students, and taxpayers who contribute every day to Minnesota's economy and civic life," Jaylani Hussein, executive director of the Council on American-Islamic Relations' Minnesota chapter, told CNN in an email.

Trump, who has led the charge against what his administration has said is a "hub of fraudulent money laundering activity" in Minnesota,announced plansin November to terminate Temporary Protected Status for Somali residents in the state. In December,ICE launched operationsin the Minneapolis-St. Paul area to specifically target undocumented Somali immigrants.

Trump has accused Somali residents of "ripping off our country and ripping apart that once-great state." He described Somalia as a country that has "no laws, no water, no military, no nothing."

Ilhan Omar, then newly elected to the US House of Representatives on the Democratic ticket, with her daughter, Ilwad, at her victory party on election night in Minneapolis, Minnesota, in November 2018. - Kerem Yucel/AFP/Getty Images

The president ended a November Cabinet meeting asserting that he does not want Somali immigrants in the US. He referred to the community and US Democratic Rep. Ilhan Omar, a Somali immigrant who represents Minnesota and a frequent target of his rhetoric, as "garbage" and said Somalis should "go back to where they came from."

Kotyza-Witthuhn, at Wednesday's news conference, said: "Instead of tearing down our Somali community and our child care centers, let's lift them up. Let's make sure that our children have safe places to learn and grow."

CNN's Zoe Sottile, Andy Rose, Holmes Lybrand, Lauren Mascarenhas, Chris Boyette, Hannah Rabinowitz, Omar Jimenez, TuAnh Dam, Rob Kuznia and Emma Tucker contributed to this report.

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The teenage daughter of North Korean leader Kim Jong Un made her first known visit to a sacred family mausoleum, a step that experts saybolstered her status as her father's potential heir.

The visit, which occurred on New Year's Day on Thursday, even sparked speculation that the girl,reportedly named Kim Ju Ae and aged about 13, could be named a high-level official at the upcoming ruling Workers' Party congress.

Images carried by North Korea's state media on Friday showed Kim Ju Ae standing in the front row with her parents and deeply bowing at Pyongyang's Kumsusan Palace of the Sun in Pyongyang, where the embalmed bodies of her late grandfather and great-grandfather are on display.

North Korean leader Kim Jong Un (C), his wife Ri Sol Ju and their daughter Kim Ju Ae visit the Kumsusan Palace of the Sun to mark the new year in Pyongyang. KCNA VIA KNS/AFP via Getty Images

The palace is "a place that symbolizes legitimacy of the North Korean regime" and her visit there ahead of the Workers' Party congress is a politically orchestrated move, said Cheong Seong-Chang, deputy head of the private Sejong Institute in South Korea.

Kim Jong Un, 41, is the third generation of his family to rule North Korea since the country's foundation in 1948. He often marks key state anniversaries by visiting the Kumsusan palace and paying respect to his father Kim Jong Il and grandfather Kim Il Sung.

Cheong predicted that Kim Jong Un could give his daughter the first secretary post at the Workers' Party, the party's No. 2 job, at the congress.

Other experts say she is too young to accept such a high-profile post and might be provided with lower-level jobs.

The congress, the first of its kind in five years, is meant to establish new priorities in state policies and reshuffle officials. North Korea hasn't said when it will hold it, but South Korea's spy agency said it will likely be held either in January or February.

Since first appearing in state media in November 2022, Kim Ju Ae has accompanied her father at a slew of events including military parades and missile launches.

Kim Jong Un, his daughter Kim Ju Ae (C) and wife Ri Sol Ju (L) watch a New Year's celebration performance at the May Day Stadium in Pyongyang on December 31, 2025. KCNA VIA KNS/AFP via Getty Images North Korean leader Kim Jong Un and his daughter Kim Ju Ae stand at a hotel reception counter as they attend an inauguration ceremony for hotels in the tourist resort in Samjiyon City, North Korea, December 20, 2025. via REUTERS

In September, Kim Ju Ae took her on his visit to Beijing.During New Years' Day celebrations this week, she kissed her father on the cheek, showing their closeness.

In January 2024, South Korea's spy agency said it viewed Kim Ju Ae as her father's likely heir. Some outside experts disagree with that assessment, citing Kim Jong Un's relatively young age and the extremely male-dominated nature of North Korea's power hierarchy.

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Off-duty ICE officer allegedly kills man firing gun outside apartment complex: DHS

An off-duty Immigration and Customs Enforcement officer allegedly shot and killed an armed man outside of the federal agent's Los Angeles apartment complex, according to the Department of Homeland Security.

The shooting occurred late New Year's Eve in the Northridge neighborhood, DHS said. ICE is under the supervision of DHS.

The off-duty ICE Enforcement and Removal Operations officer was in his apartment "when he heard what he suspected were multiple gunshots" at approximately 10:45 p.m. local time Wednesday, DHS spokesperson Tricia McLaughlin said in a statement.

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As the suspected gunfire grew louder, the officer went outside with his ICE-authorized firearm and encountered a man "armed with what appeared to be a long rifle" upon rounding the corner of a building in the apartment complex, according to McLaughlin.

After the ICE officer identified himself as law enforcement, the individual allegedly pointed his firearm at the officer and did not put it down when ordered, McLaughlin noted.

Michael M. Santiago/Getty Images - PHOTO: An ICE officers badge is seen as federal agents patrol the halls of immigration court at the Jacob K. Javitz Federal Building on June 10, 2025 in New York City.

"When the subject refused to comply, the officer fired defensively with his service weapon at the subject to disarm him," McLaughlin said. "The subject fired at least three rounds at the officer."

The ICE officer then went back to his apartment to retrieve his ICE-issued body armor "to better protect himself against rifle rounds" and reported the shooting to the Los Angeles Police Department, according to McLaughlin.

When LAPD officers arrived, they found the shot individual, who was pronounced dead at the scene, McLaughlin noted. The ICE officer was uninjured, she said.

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Sources said it appears that the man had no connection to the ICE officer before the shooting.

ICE's Office of Professional Responsibility is coordinating with the LAPD in the ongoing investigation, McLaughlin said.

The LAPD confirmed it responded to a call of shots fired involving a federal agent, but did not release any additional details.

Authorities have not released the names of the ICE officer or deceased man.

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Axelle/Bauer-Griffin/FilmMagic Tommy Lee Jones and daughter Victoria Jones in 2017

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NEED TO KNOW

  • Tommy Lee Jones' daughter Victoria Jones was found dead on Thursday, Jan. 1, according to a report

  • Victoria was 34

  • Victoria made some onscreen appearances in film and television in the early 2000s

Victoria Jones, thedaughter of actor Tommy Lee Jones, was found dead on Thursday, Jan. 1 in San Francisco, according to reports. She was 34.

TMZwas first to report the news of Victoria's death, citing law enforcement sources.

The San Francisco Fire Department confirmed to PEOPLE that it responded to a medical emergency at the San Francisco Fairmont just before 3 a.m. local time on Thursday. The fire department said that an unnamed individual was found dead at the scene.

The San Francisco Police Department additionally confirmed to PEOPLE that officers responded to the hotel on Thursday, where they met with paramedics and declared an unnamed adult female dead.

NBC Bay Areaalso reported that a police source told the outlet that the woman found dead at the hotel is believed to be Victoria.

A cause of death is unknown, though NBC Bay Area said that foul play is not suspected.

William Conran/PA Images via Getty Victoria and Tommy Lee Jones in 2002

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The San Francisco Fairmont, San Francisco Office of the Chief Medical Examiner and a rep for Tommy did not immediately respond to PEOPLE's requests for comment.

Victoria was the daughter of Tommy, now 79, and his ex-wife, Kimberlea Cloughley. The couple also shares a son, Austin Jones, 43.

She made select acting appearances at a young age, first in her father's film,Men in Black II,back in 2002. She was also in 2005'sThe Three Burials of Melquiades Estrada, a film directed by her father and which featured her stepmom, Dawn Laurel-Jones, as the stills photographer.

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In addition to her film roles, Victoria made an appearance in the popular teen drama TV seriesOne Tree Hillin one episode in 2003.

Tommy is, of course, an Oscar-winning actor, nabbing the Best Supporting Actor honor for 1993'sThe Fugitive. He has also appeared inJFK, theMen in Blackseries,No Country for Old MenandLincoln, among other acclaimed projects.

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COURTESY OF NETFLIX Eleven (Millie Bobby Brown) faces down Vecna (Jamie Campbell Bower) in 'Stranger Things' series finale

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Key Points

  • Stranger Things creators Matt and Ross Duffer address the question we all want answered: Did Eleven die in the finale?

  • The creators reveal the one scene that hints to the live-action spinoff they're planning.

  • What does the future of Stranger Things look like from here? "There's one other thing I can't talk about," Matt teases.

Warning: This article contains spoilers from theStranger Thingsseries finale, "The Rightside Up."

MattandRoss Duffer, the creators ofStranger Things, gather the morning of New Year's Day on the West Coast over separate Zoom screens. The night before, they finally unveiled the thing they've been planning in their minds for years: the 2-hour, 8-minute conclusion to the worldwide television sensation.

As part of multiple surprise talent appearances at select theaters where Netflix displayed the event on the big screen, the brotherly filmmaking duo popped in at the AMC Americana in Glendale for the occasion. "So many of them were decked out in merch," Ross tellsEntertainment Weeklyof the fans in attendance. "It was such a fun experience and what a great way to end the year."

Today, the Duffers sit down for their final press rounds, including this interview with EW. They address some of our burning questions — notably the true fate ofMillie Bobby Brown's Eleven — and identify the one scene from the finale that teases the upcoming live-action spinoff in the works. (It's not the Montauk callout!)

Netflix Mike (Finn Wolfhard) and Eleven (Millie Bobby Brown) on the 'Stranger Things' series finale

ENTERTAINMENT WEEKLY: As I was heading into this interview just moments ago, I saw that there's a massive spike in people Googling, "Did Eleven die onStranger Things?"

MATT DUFFER:It's a good question! I don't think they're gonna find the answer, though, on Google.

Do you foresee any point, maybe on aStranger ThingsDay 20 years from now, where you would definitively answer that question for fans?

ROSS DUFFER:Didn't [The Sopranoscreator] David Chase break down and finally say what happened to Tony? I can't remember. I think he may have, but see?It was so much later. Our goal, our hope is to leave it up to the fans, ultimately, and the audience in terms of what they believe, just as we leave it up to our characters in that basement to decide what they believe or not.

How did you guys get to that point of striking the right balance of ambiguity when it comes to Eleven's fate? Because, obviously, when you choose that route, you have to leave enough evidence on both sides to argue one way or the other.

MATT: Yeah, that was the intention. We spent probably more time talking about Eleven's fate than anything else as we were working on season 5. A lot of the dialogue you hear in the finale reflects the kind of debates that we were having in the writers' room. Hopper's [David Harbour] speech to her, he's expressing what a lot of us were expressing in the room, but then there was the flip side of that argument, which is what Kali [Linnea Berthelsen] was saying.

And then there's the question of: Is there an in-between version of that? Does something like that exist? And, if so, what would that look like? Ultimately, we did decide there has to be some sort of sacrifice. It's funny when you see people getting frustrated with Kali, because of course, she's telling you what you don't want to hear, but it's the truth, right? There's a reality to what she's saying. Eleven, whether she lives or dies, makes a major sacrifice. Either she's dead or she's left her friends behind for a different life. But I think that sacrifice is ultimately very courageous and heroic. She's choosing to do that to prevent other kids from experiencing what she's experienced.

And so the ending, we wanted it to be from Mike's [Finn Wolfhard] point of view and the kids' point of view. So they don't know, and because they don't know, the audience doesn't know, because if we knew and they knew, then it defeats the entire purpose of her sacrifice.

Ross, in an interview withTudum, you said, "There was never a version of the story where Eleven was hanging out with the gang at the end." Were there multiple versions of this ending that you guys were throwing around?

ROSS:She was never gonna be there. It was always gonna end in aD&Dcampaign and then leaving and shutting the door on their childhood. That's been planned for eight years. I think it really just came down to figuring out the story that Mike was telling and getting to that moment of, "I believe." This all happened very early in the writers' room on season 5. And then Holly [Nell Fisher], of course, came about as we realized she was gonna play a major role in the season and that passing of the torch. So that's really how that scene evolved over the years, but it was very, very early on in the writing process that we locked in on what those final 10 minutes were. They never changed, ultimately, throughout the course of writing the show and/or in production.

Netflix The final scene with Eleven (Millie Bobby Brown) on 'Stranger Things'

That final shot that you leave us with Eleven and the waterfalls, was that on location or at the studio in Atlanta?

MATT:It was really cool. It was on location in Iceland, but it was a skeleton crew. It was all Icelandic, and we were out there maybe for four hours or so. Millie was actually standing right there out on the cliff. It's fun shooting in other countries because out here, they forced us to wire her, but Millie was a badass. She just stood there. We had a drone flying over her. It was beautiful. That rainbow that's there was not added. That was actually there.

ROSS:The only thing that's added at all with visual effects is just the small town in the distance. Everything else is real.

Were you able to schedule it so that would be Millie's last day on set?

MATT:Yeah, it was her last day on set, but it was so many months later [after principal photography]. That day didn't feel like a goodbye day. Her last day on set [in Atlanta] was actually [when] we filmed her "killing herself" scene. We filmed her vanishing while standing in the gate, and then we filmed her entering the Radio Shack and climbing down into the tunnels. The climbing down into the tunnels was the very last shot.

ROSS:The Iceland shoot was actually pretty recently. It was over the summer. We wrapped production, we were all so tired, and we were like, "How are we gonna do this waterfall scene?" We just didn't have the time to figure it out during production. So we waited for a gap right after Millie finishedEnola[Holmes 3] and we had like a week opening and we said, "All right, let's just fly to Iceland and shoot this thing." So it was the last thing we ever did on the show.

MATT:Millie was in London, so it did not take her long to get to Iceland. It took us f---ing forever to get out there. I've always wanted to go to Iceland and I think we were there for, like, 24 hours.

ROSS:Yeah, because we were still in post[-production]. There was talk of having someone else direct and we're like, "Absolutely not. We're gonna be there." We gotta be there, but considering we were in the middle of deep, deep post-production at the time, it was not the easiest thing to do.

Netflix The Mind Flayer in the 'Stranger Things' series finale

I also wanna ask you about the Mind Flayer. In your head, is this leviathan creature that we meet in the finale the true form of the Mind Flayer and the shadow substance is a different form of it? How did you envision the mechanics of that working out?

ROSS:I see it as a version of what we did in season 3 in that the true form of it is the cloud, but it can build itself out, which is what it did in a massive way in the Abyss. But its self is that shadow self, the hive mind version of it, that maybe is its soul or its true self. But we like that there's some mystery with the Mind Flayer, that we don't explain everything because, in a way, it is unknowable in that Lovecraftian way.

MATT:But whatever's up there in the Abyss, they've severed the bridge. There is no connection anymore. There's no way of anything in the Abyss from reaching Hawkins again.

I've noticed a lot of fans online asking the question, "What is the glowing rock substance that Henry finds in the briefcase in the flashback?" I just took that as particles from the Abyss or the Mind Flayer itself. Do you have a specific definition for what exactly was in that briefcase?

ROSS:We do. It is the one thing that we purposely left a bit of a question mark on that theoretically will be answered later down the line. But that really was the one tiny little crack in the door that we wanted to leave open.

Netflix Henry Creel finds a mysterious substance in the 'Stranger Things' series finale

This came up in the press leading up to the finale episode, that there is a particular scene in the finale that may hint at the spinoff that you guys are developing. Are you at a point when you can say what that scene is?

ROSS:That's that!

MATT:I just said it. The rock! Which is good because if that's what people are really wondering and asking about...

ROSS:Not to say that the spinoff is about a rock or a mine.

MATT:No, in terms of learning the origins of this thing. I don't want to mislead people in thinking that that's really what the spinoff is about. It's going to answer that question, but it's its own mythology. So it's very, very different. It's not a spinoff about the Mind Flayer. I don't want to set up false expectations, but for people who are frustrated that they don't know what exactly where that scientist came from, how he's in the cave, what the glowing rock is, at some point, that will be answered for you.

This leads me into a big question: What does the future ofStranger Thingslook like now? We have the animated series coming up this year; the Broadway show is still going, still playing in London; you're developing a live-action spinoff that you're talking about. How would you answer that question for yourself?

MATT:To us, it's just one step at a time. Right now, everything you said is all we have planned...Well, there's one other thing I can't talk about, so I just sort of lied to you, that is also really cool. But the live-action spinoff is what the main focus is right now. I wish I could talk about it more, but we have a specific idea or philosophy for how the show and theStranger Thingsuniverse, if you wanna call it that, can continue. It's very different, I would say, than something likeGame of ThronesorStar Wars, because we're just not like that.

ROSS:And we're very proud ofTales from '85and the play, but those are mining the last remaining small gaps in the narrative that we told over the course ofStranger Things. So to be able to move forward, we have to build out a new mythology because otherwise we're just gonna keep finding these little narrow gaps and it's just gonna get narrower and narrower and more forced. So the goal is to break it wide open and do something very new and very different.

MATT:I have to say, it has been so fun just creating new characters and a new mythology, just because you're starting from the ground floor. It's exhilarating, and I can't wait to say more about it when I'm allowed to, but Netflix PR is listening in.

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How hands-on do both of you foresee yourselves being onStranger Thingsmoving forward? It's not a secret that you guys have other Netflix shows that you're working on at the moment. You also have a deal with Paramount, you're going to be making movies very soon.

MATT:It's different than the shows that we're producing. We're super stoked about the two shows that are coming out, fairly soon, actually:Something Very Bad Is Going to HappenandThe Boroughs.But our philosophy there more or less is we're finding talent and creatives that we deeply respect and helping them get the show off the ground, mentoring them, teaching them about what we've learned, the mistakes we've made so hopefully they don't make the same mistakes. That's sort of our role as far as that's concerned.

We're gonna be much more creatively and deeply involved in theStranger Thingsspinoff. It's a story that we came up with, and...Man, I'm boxing myself in. I can't tell you much about it. I should just be very vague and say, "We're gonna be extremely involved in it. We're not gonna be showrunning it, however." So it will be a step back, but obviously we're gonna be involved day-to-day. We're gonna get back to work on it on Monday, so it is not a passive involvement. It's our goal to make it an incredible show. We're gonna be there from beginning to end.

This interview has been edited and condensed for clarity and brevity.

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Keanu Reeves Parties With Longtime Girlfriend in Sweet New Photo

Keanu Reevesand his longtimegirlfriend,Alexandra Grant, celebrated New Year's Eve in New York City, with the couple heading to Joe's Pub to see actress, comedian and singerSandra Bernhardperform her showCaught Off Guard.

Grant shared some memories from the fun night on Instagram, writing, "Happynew yearto everyone! We had a great time ringing in the new year with the amazing Sandra Bernhard (@sandragbernhard) and herfamilyand band @joespub."

She went on, "Here's to 2026 and more sweet moments together!" before noting that she was thankful for the lessons of 2025 that "made a lot evidently clear about ourselves and others and allowed us to fall in love with each other and our work in new ways."

As for what's next, Grant declared that she is "Wishing forpeaceand feminine wisdom on earth, great dance moves andmusic, rivetingmovies, yummy meals, can't-put-downable books and rocking conversations" in 2026.

While the first photo in the post showed Bernhard on stage, the second revealed a heartwarming moment between Grant and Reeves. The former looked at the camera as she blew into a party horn, while Reeves looked practically giddy, grinning and wearing a headband that read, "Happy New Year!"

Check out the new photo of Reeves and Grant here.

Bernhard alsoshared some snapswith the couple from the NYE show, with Reeves still wearing the headband as they posed for photos backstage. Meanwhile, Grant looked radiant in a blue, lacy two-piece set.

Fans loved Grant's sweet post welcoming 2026, with kind comments like, "Awwww too cute! Happy new year!! ❤️❤️❤️."

"What a beautiful post, on so many levels. Thank you for sharing. 🥰 And how lovely that you were right here in the city celebrating. 🥂," wrote another person in reply.

Many more wished her a happy New Year, with one fan saying, "happy new year to you who inspire me to be creative every day."

Alexandra Grant and Keanu Reeves, wearing Gucci, attend the 2023 LACMA Art+Film Gala, Presented By Gucci at Los Angeles County Museum of Art on November 04, 2023 in Los Angeles, California.Michael Kovac/Getty Images for LACMA

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Grant and Reeves have been together since 2019, although they have known each other much longer. They tend to keep theirlifequite private, although every once in a while, Grant will share photos on social media or they will attend an industry event together.

Back in September, Grant thanked fans for their well-wishes asthey celebrated Reeves' 61st birthday, with the artist telling Reeves in a sweet message, "I am so grateful for your love and partnership."

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Brazil's Bolsonaro leaves hospital and returns to jail in capital Brasilia

BRASILIA, Brazil (AP) — Former Brazilian PresidentJair Bolsonaroleft a hospital in capital Brasilia on Thursday, a week after he underwent a double hernia surgery. A car took the embattled ex-leader back to the federal police headquarters where he is serving his 27-year prison sentence for leading a coup d'etat aimed at keeping him in office.

Hospital DF Star confirmed Bolsonaro was released after some other minor medical procedures after the double hernia surgery that was completed without complications.

Brazil's Supreme Court approved the release of the former president, who governed from 2019 to 2022, for the surgery.

Supreme Court JusticeAlexandre de Moraes, who sentenced Bolsonaro to prison, denied the former president's request for house arrest after he leaves the hospital.

Bolsonaro has undergone several other medical procedures since he was stabbed in the abdomen during a campaign rally in 2018.

Bolsonaro has no contact with the few other inmates at the federal police headquarters in Brasilia, where he is held and where his 12-square-meter (around 130-square-foot) room has a bed, a private bathroom, air conditioning, a television and a desk.

In December, Bolsonaro shook Brazilian politics again by appointing his eldest son, Sen. Flávio Bolsonaro, to become his political party'spresidential candidate in next year's election, challenging incumbentLuiz Inácio Lula da Silva.

Neither Flávio Bolsonaro nor former first-lady Michelle Bolsonaro made comments about the former leader returning to prison after his hospitalization.

Michelle Bolsonaro said in her social media channels that "there is a Brazil of good people which loves you and prays for you."

"We will beat the bad days," she wrote.

Bolsonaro and several of his allieswere convicted in Septemberby a panel of Supreme Court justices of attempting to overthrow Brazil's democratic system following his 2022 election defeat.

The plot included plans to kill Lula, Vice President Geraldo Alckmin and de Moraes. There was also a plan to encourage an insurrection in early 2023.

Bolsonaro was also convicted on charges that include leading an armed criminal organization and attempting the violent abolition of the democratic rule of law. He has denied any wrongdoing.

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